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much. it marks the end of the catholic churches year of faith. the next hour of "news room" begins right now. hello, everyone. you are in the cnn news room. i'm martin savidge. nice to be with you. no weekend down time in geneva. not this weekend, not when a historic deal is within reach. twice today, secretary of state john kerry met with counter parts from europe and iran. they are hammering out the final details to an agreement for lighter sanctions on iran for a significant restriction on the nuclear program. the few final details, well, they are always the problem. and the difference right now between success and a breakdown. let's get to geneva and talk to jim. jim, it's after 1:00 in the morning. we spoke with you several hours
ago. negotiating sessions still going on. where does this deal stand? >> reporter: well, martin, i want to tell you there's a resolution here. as you say, it's past 1:00 in the morning. they are still meeting. got word the diplomats got together again following the second meeting. one of the diplomats say they are 98% to a deal. if the final 2% is where the key disagreements are and have been the issues from the beginning of the talks including what will be the status and how will it be described, iran's right to enrich uranium. they want it explicit and written down on paper. there's been no right to enrich uranium. there may be other ways around it. we would recognize their freedom to have a peaceful nuclear program. if that's an issue, that compromise is not enough. they are still disagreeing on
the status of the iraq heavy water planet. this is the second path to a bomb, using plutonium. we are down to the final words on those agreements. the final words may be so difficult to achieve they could stand in the way of a disagreement. >> they are still talking at this hour. if they fail and it falls apart for a second time, what is this going to mean for the future of these talks? >> it would be hard to explain for both sides. difficult for john kerry to come back having been here twice and the foreign ministers flying to using their clout to bring the parties together for a deal. that would be difficult to explain. in the u.s. you have a time line. members on capitol hill are pushing for sanctions otherwise it will spoil the chances for talks. they feel they can only push it off for some time. the senate democratic leader may introduce a vote on sanctions
after the thanksgiving break. it's a couple weeks from now. that's on the american side. difficult there. difficult for the iranian minister to go home and sell to a skeptical population and hard liners that it's worth talking to the americans. they feel they are giving up a lot. it would be difficult to explain. it may be why they are working so late into the night and later to find a resolution. >> try to overt what could be a difficult conversation in both places. jim, thanks so much. we'll stay in touch. in diplomatic circles, there's no agreement on what is the best resolution to the nuclear situation with iran. do we gaucnegotiate or keep on pressure? stay there. in a couple minutes, we'll continue that conversation. two guests will join us from washington and we'll get more on that. china disputed over eight
islands. beijing is creating what it calls an air defense identification zone and it just happened to include the sky over the islands. defense secretary chuck hagel calls it an attempt to alter the status quo. barbara starr joins me now on the phone. how dangerous is this move by beijing? >> caller: good evening, martin. one measure of how dangerous it is, very unusual, rare public statements on a saturday night in washington from defense secretary chuck hagel and secretary of state, john kerry in geneva on those iran talks issuing a statement, very concerned about china's latest moves. this air exclusion is what they are talking about. basically, it's going to require the chinese any military aircraft flying through the area which is an international air
space, by all accounts, to basically radio the chinese government, state their position, aircraft, what they are doing and where they are going, all of it. that is not going to work for the united states. chuck hagel already indicating the u.s. has no intention of going down this road. it appears to be an effort to intimidate japan over the islands. it adds to destabilization throughout the region and it's very concerning to the united states about what the chinese might do if somebody doesn't obey the new rules. that's the question, what's going to happen next. >> you have the concern that, you know, an accident of some sort could have huge military consequences. how is this going to change u.s. operations in that region? >> caller: hagel says he put the marker down tonight on behalf of the united states and the u.s. military saying that the u.s. will not change in any way how it operates in the pacific.
so, if it wants to fly through this zone, it will. by all indications. the u.s. has been upping its military position in the pacific. they call it that asia pivot. what it's really about is more u.s. military presence in the pacific rim to counter china, to have a military presence there. the bottom line for everybody, this is the new economic powerhouse and they don't want to see military destabilization. the chinese move is concerning because it's so unclear what they may be up to here, u.s. officials believe. >> it could be a dangerous chess game. thank you for joining us from washington. nice to hear from you. okay, timing could not be worse. just in time for one of the busiest travel weeks of the year, a powerful weather system moving across the country. rain, snow and powerful winds are creating problems in a
number of states. icy roads in oklahoma and texas. they are, of course, causing travel concerns. one of willie nelson's tour buses was involved in a wreck a couple hours east of dallas in sulfur springs, texas. willie was not on the bus. look at the snow in nevada. less than 50 miles from las vegas. temperatures are expected to dip more in the next couple of days. flagstaff, arizona, they can expect heavy snow with up to five inches expected to fall today alone. please, be careful. diplomatic pressure is on iran right now. americans, the russians, the french, they say the deal on iran's nuclear prab is so close, should we be negotiating at all? there's plenty of opinions on that. that conversation is still to come. eeting. ♪
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it's been the top international issue all day on cnn. a compromise with iran on the nuclear program is very, very close. secretary of state john kerry is in switzerland now in the wee hours of the morning and it's still going on, but no agreement in this country an whether we should be negotiating. joining me, professor from american university, the author of going to thai ron. why to go to terms with iran. and the president for security and the former pentagon official under president ronald reagan. i'm trying to get your thoughts on where things stand. hillary, what do you make of this? >> they are very close. closer than they have been in over a decade. i'm not that optimistic and i think it will come down to whether or not the united states and its so-called allies can recognize iran's right to enrich the rights as a sovn country.
i'm not sure the united states can do it. they are driving toward negotiation, i'm not sure they can seal the deal. >> i'm with hillary. i'm getting a feeling they are not going to do it. what is your feeling? >> you could be right. one of my experiences of negotiating in these kinds of settings a long time ago now is if you want it bad, you get it bad. the idea, i think most americans can appreciate this. the idea they are going to spend the night thrashing around with iranians and the good outcome is going to be achieved is unlikely. it's not because they might not come to terms on this point, but because the rest of the deal is lousy. a couple quick points. one is, i believe the united states is being lied to by its president about what is going on here. we have seen the same problem with obama care. this is national security. >> wait a minute.
let me break it down. we'll go into this. hold on. we'll go into it. let me start with this point, it seems to be the sticking point. iran is not budging on the demand to maintain the capability to enrich uranium. the worst case is iran keeps that capability. frank, how do you see that? >> this is not the point. the point is, iran is going to maintain all they need to maintain an active and, i'm afraid, nearly complete nuclear weapons program. the idea these negotiations on one point or another are hanging in the balance misses entirely the fundamental, which is we cannot trust the iranians. they made it clear. he's about buying time to complete their ambitions that have been under way for decades.
we are kidding ourselves. we are at the point that we are being deceived by our own government. no good deal can come out of this, certainly not from our securities point of view or that region or the wider free world. >> let me talk about frank's point here. he raises a good issue. it's been the policy of the iranians to delay, delay, delay. i have to say, it's sounding like we are seeing that again. you say it's essential that the u.s. negotiate. >> yeah, i mean, i have real experience negotiating with the iran yans. when i worked for the bush white house, i was one of the few negotiators that negotiated with the iranians in afghanistan and al qaeda. a highly successful negotiation including with the prime minister in geneva trying to get a deal. we are not going to trust them or like the republic. the ant ek dote is how do you
get to an agreement with transparency? to actually agree to, adhere to an additional protocol to the treaty, this is what could actually get us to a negotiated outcome. the problem people have, the countries that will not recognize iran's rights under the united states, france, israel and saudi arabia. the problem i have is that it would recognize the islamic republic as a legitimate power. the united states, the problem for us is that after president obama's failed attempt at a debac debacle, he has to do it diplomatically. it's negotiated under a treaty. >> let me stop you. frank, let me ask you think, is the military option or what is
the option if it's not negotiation? >> look, we are dealing with a regime and with all due respect to hillary and her negotiations, this is an outfit that for decades has been at war with us. we pretend it's not the case, but it is. despite her negotiations, they are supporting al qaeda, including during 9/11. they will make every effort to deceive us. it's not a matter of trance parn si, we know they are lying. >> frank, i understand, what is the alternative? >> i'm afraid the alternative has to be regime change in iran. we have an option to work with the people of iran who seek that same outcome. the efforts of the bush administration and this administration to tie us to this regime instead of to the people of iran is madness. it is creating a much more dangerous iran and, i believe, a much more dangerous world. this idea of a negotiated outcome and getting to it, getting to a deal, this is
beside the point. if you are dealing with people who you know have your destruction in their sort of central -- >> frank, hillary -- hold on, please. hold on, please. i'm sorry, we have come to the end of the time we can allow for this. thank you both. we appreciate it. hillary and frank, we appreciate your insights, the negotiations are continuing at this hour in geneva. we will be back to talk. so, with chevy's black friday sale, the price you see is the price you pay? yep, best prices of the year. i can't see. honey. [ laughs ] brad. yeah? what are you doing? uh... hi. hi. [ male announcer ] it's the chevy black friday sale. during the chevy black friday sale, get this malibu ls for under $20,000 or this cruze ls for around $17,000. hurry. the best prices of the year end monday, december 2nd.
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this one slide. miley cyrus turns 21 years of age. she was born in 1992, the same year her father hit it big with "achy breaky heart." we are here waiting on agreement with iran. i'm martin savidge, thanks for joining us. the following is a cnn special report. what started out innocently with teddy bears became anything put at the vma awards in september. a performance that had tongues wagging. >> it became that moment of a singer/song writer/entertainer finding that special moment. >> i thought it was sloppy and i didn't think it was professional enough for her. she has to go back to the drawing board. >> about a woman who most of
america knew as wholesome hannah, a disney character living a double life. but, if her recent appearances made anything clear, it's that miley isn't montana anymore. >> i can give you an update on what she's been up to. she was murdered. >> now, the life of miley. it was 1994, the first time the world met little miley cyrus, just 2 years old on a country music interview show. she was already a showstopper. >> do your eyes, miley. do your eyes. very talented child. >> perhaps a sign of things to come. >> this is very dangerous. you are teaching her to flirt at a very early age. you are going to be in big trouble when she's 12 or 13. >> you could see that twinkle in
her eye. that little, like, i'm going to do something with myself. >> shirley is the music editor of the hollywood reporter. she followed miley's career from the beginning. >> even when she's mischievous, there's a look in her eye, i see. it's kind of like okay, miley, what are you doing next. >> when ever the camera was on, she was on. you could also see that from a very early age. >> i got the sense she was calculated but in a good way. >> calculated and destined for big things. not entirely surprising for a little girl who was originally named destiny hope cyrus. >> i gave her the name before she was born because i thought it was her destiny to bring hope to the world. i think, this is her purpose. her path, you know, i think she's a natural born singer/song writer/entertainer. >> it didn't hurt that her
father was a hit maker. ♪ don't tell my heart >> the fact he had one big hit with "achy breaky heart" puts him in a level where he had access to, you know, musicians and producers and record company people that she probably would not have met were it not for her father. >> what could be better than having a famous father? having a music legend like dolly partner for a god mother. later in life, miley recorded her classic "joleen." >> i think looking to dolly, looking to the sort of eccentric showmanship of a dolly parton helped find her own stuff. >> she was just a toddler back in 1993 when she was on the stage with many of music's biggest names. >> doing a tribute to elvis presley at the pyramid in
memphis, tennessee. she broke away from the nanny. she waddled out and came out on stage with some of the biggest stars in the world and she just kind of became one with every singer. everybody was holding her. she had her hands up and she was singing. the last guy to hold her at the end of the song was tony bennett. he came, as the song ended and said you have a special little girl here. >> yet, despite being surrounded by fame, miley had a normal childhood. raised a southern baptist, hope was the small town of thompson station, tennessee on a farm. >> i loved being outside. we would build fires on top of the hill and set out and look at the stars and roast marshmallows and weaners. i was good at those type of
things with my kids. i wasn't good setting them down saying let's do your algebra now. >> he was good at watching out for his little girl who as a toddler had her eyes on bigger things. producer, steve peterson. >> they were doing something. miley was 2 1/2, maybe. they are on a barn and miley was standing on a landing. billy said be careful, honey. she put her hands on her hips and said i'm not afraid of anything. that's 2 1/2. >> fearless and bold. two traits that continued to define her as she grew up, went to school and became a cheerleader. >> she went to a private evangelical school, christian school for a year. >> rolling stone editor josh had rare access to miley. she was asked to leave after a year. she has a couple different versions of why.
i'm not sure which is the one. one version she told the class what french kissing was. another version her teacher was an older woman who got around on a motorized scooter and miley stole it and was cruising around the classroom on the scooter. whatever the case was, it was not the perfect fit. >> what was a great fit for miley? ♪ >> music. >> miley was a good student. she worked hard and she didn't fight your advice. >> renee williams was miley's voice teacher when she was 12. >> she has an ingenuous way of getting what she wanted by being charming and lovely and enthusiastic and willing to take the burden of work on as well. >> by 2001, what miley wanted became crystal clear when they
left for toronto, where billy ray was filming, "doc." >> she said can they write something in for me? they wrote in one episode. by that time, she said can they write me in next week and the next week? a few weeks after that, we saw ""mamma mia!" in toronto and i'll never forget it. it was that combination of acting and the performance on stage of the singers and she said that's what i want to do. ♪ >> i'm going to be a great actress and singer/song writer. >> miley went for it. >> i'm miley cyrus and auditioning for the role of hannah montana. >> she auditioned for the role of a lifetime. >> you could see the sort of long range plan when you look at her hannah montana audition.
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i'm miley cyrus, a ced auditions for the role of zoey in hannah montana. >> in 2003, 11-year-old miley hoped this audition would be her ticket to hollywood. >> the truth of the matter is, she was the least likely person to get this job. >> producer steve peterman was part of the hannah montana casting team. she was an 11 that looked 9. way too small and too young.
>> miley dead set on becoming the star wouldn't give up. >> i'm miley cyrus, i'm 12 years old. so good for you. you know, like -- >> she read for us and she read for us over and over again. she would do some lines fabulously, wonderfully and miss other lines by a mile. >> oh my gosh, i know, i'm an idiot. >> but i couldn't take my eyes off her. >> two years later, producers still weren't convinced. they gave miley one last shot. >> know that, you know, this is your final audition. >> only my very best friends know. >> it ultimately came down to miley and one other girl. with miley, there was something about her that was so aloft and so fearless and all of us
finally agreed to take the chance. >> at 13, miley cyrus became hannah montana. >> bugger check. >> you are so gross. >> with living her dream. ♪ i'm a lucky girl whose dreams came true." >> she was a perfect fit. a school gir with a secret double life as a teen pop star. >> alert, 19 seconds. >> she's your best friend. sooner or later you have to tell her you are hannah montana. >> that's one of the things that connected about hannah montana was the realism that, well, wait a minute, this is our imitating life, imitating art. >> miley auditioned her own dad for the part of her tv dad. >> get ready, get set, don't go.
>> one of the episodes called "ready, set, don't go." i wrote that as miley left for california. no daddy wants to see their little girl grow up. i knew her life and our lives as a family was going to change. >> the show and miley were a smash. hannah montana became one of the highest rated tv series. miley shot up to teen idol status. >> i think you could see the sort of long range plan when you look add her hannah montana audition. you can see she knew exactly what she was doing. she knew that the role welcome back a steppingstone to other things, merchandise, tv, music. she was the first to embrace all of these things. >> in 2007, she released hannah
montana 2, meet miley cyrus. they debuted under her real name. the second album went platinum. in 2008, a hit that miley was feeling the pressure of being one of the biggest teen stars on the planet. >> i feel like the media is like a mother. it's like trying to, you know, let the young one go and let them grow up. they are having a hard time with that. >> miley's next conquest, a film career. she landed a part in "high school musical 2," then the voice of penny in "bolt". >> bolt is lost. he could be anywhere right now. >> in 2009, miley brought her tv character to life on the big screen. in hannah montana, the movie. >> like it says, it's all about the publicity.
>> $31 million in the opening weekend. it cemented her as more than a singer. more than an actress. she was an all around performer. >> and she was white hot but disney's billion dollar baby would soon get a taste of controversy. it started with a provocative vanity fair photo shoot. 15-year-old miley, barely dressed, no longer the girl next door. then miley shocked fans when she spiked up her performance by pole dancing to "party in the usa." the video went viral and parents posted it. >> her fans and their parents were like, whoa! this isn't the hannah montana we know. >> we couldn't do much about that. it's the fearlessness, the sense of spontaneity and what she's
going to do now. she's going to, at times, make mistakes. >> miley was unphased. >> i think the media tries to overdo it. it's really no one else's business how my parents raised me or how i'm being raised. >> yet, even her parents were concerned when a video surfaced of miley taking a bong hit. >> okay, i'm going to lose it now. >> i was alarmed for my daughter's safety. >> miley down played the video saying it wasn't pot she was smoking and apologized for the vanity fair spread. her image was changing. her 2010 album and single said it all. ♪ >> just look at the album title, "cant be tamed." she put it out there. we saw it play out in front of our eyes, this person breaking
loose of the disney character. >> in 2011, the split became official when miley quit the show that made her a global phenomena. hannah montana was no more. coming up -- >> you were down there and i said, you know what? that stuff. please. brand-new miley. >> a brand-new miley and a brand-new controversy. [ male announcer ] this is brad. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when...
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i am going to jump all for the love of rolling stone magazine. >> two years after "hannah montana" ended, 20-year-old miley cyrus is on the edge. she's sky diving with josh els of rolling stone magazine. extreme, unafraid, and ready for reinvention. this is the new miley cyrus. >> what a landing! >> we were both kind of terrified i think. it was a situation where neither of us really wanted to back down. i think she just likes doing -- she liked pushing the envelope. >> when you make that break, it has to be a break. you can't leave one foot in the preteen, between world. miley moved out of her parents' house and in with her boyfriend, liam hence worth to focus on a
pop album and started distancing herself from her wholesome, "hannah montana" image. >> she got a new label and new management. she felt like she needed a change because not that they were going to hold her back but just that they might be sort of scared of the way she was going to go. >> and miley was going to go for big risk. with her first single "we can't stop" she released a video full of sex, drugs, and in her words -- >> that was the first glimpse into the post "hannah montana" miley cyrus, and we saw a woman with white shaved hair rolling around in a bed, playing with plush toys. >> derrick blasberg interviewed her for harper's baz ar. >> she knew it was a make or break with the record label.
she was like give me a chance to do my vision, and it goes belly up, i'll do whatever you want. she risked it all and it worked, breaking records, going viral, and reaching over 10 million views within 24 hours of its release. now miley could do exactly what she wanted to and what she wanted was a memorable performance at the mtv video music awards where millions of americans would get their first look at the new miley. >> she was a little nervous. this was the big roll out of this is who i am going to be now. >> on stage with robin thicke, she stripped down to nothing but nude underwear, grinding with a jienld phone finger, and she twerked. >> she twerked her way into history, must be said. i was sitting next to lady ga gaga's mom, and i turned around
to see what those around me were doing and everyone had the same expression on their faces, like are you seeing what i am seeing? >> it was hot, but was it a mess? her critics thought so. even brooke shields, her mother on "hannah montana" told the "today" show. >> i feel it is a bit desperate. i sort of want to know who's advising her and why it's necessary. >> then there were the more than 150 fcc complaints. >> some were humorous. some said it was like watching a brothel, other people complained about child pornography, which you know, she's 20 years old. >> miley's reaction? >> she laughed the whole thing off, it didn't seem to phase her. she knew it was going to get a reaction, that's part of why she did it. but everyone is talking about her. >> and miley was quick to point that out, tweeting my vma performance has 306,000 tweets per minute, more than the blackout or super bowl. and she said exactly what she
thought in her mtv documentary "the movement." >> it is a strategic hot mess. right now i am at a point in my career where i can be exactly who i want to be, just go for what you want to do. >> the controversy only fueled her confidence. in her next video, miem ee was sometimes naked while riding a wrecking ball and licking a sledgehammer. and this time she wanted to show something different. her vulnerability. ♪ >> two-thirds of the way through the song when the bridge hits and you really, you know, you see her shed a tear. >> a tear over a tortured romance, rumored to be out her fiance, liam hence worth. >> i think she wants to show the more sensitive side and not just the party girl side, too. >> soon after its release,
"wrecking ball" became the number one song in the country. miley and liam announced they were breaking up for good. and snl invited her to host the show. >> who are you? >> what do you mean, i am opened you. >> on everyone's mind, what would the wild child do next. but surprisingly, miley was pretty tame. there was no nudity, no twerking and no apologies for the vmas. >> if i owe anybody an apology, it is the people that make the bottom half of shirts. >> the mild mannered performance kept the focus on the music. >> sheegs showing the different sides of miley cyrus, the performer. and the one thing you can't deny, even going back to "hannah montana," she has a good voice, she knows how to sing, and wrecking ball just puts it out
there. >> i'm going to list some words that some people have used to describe her. disaster. definitely not. very calculated, very self away. >> gifted. >> yes, definitely gifted. has talent. >> fearless. >> very fearless. >> and finally genius. >> oh, i don't know about that. let's not go crazy. >> the new miley is in control. i think she's really smart and knows what she wants to do with her career next. >> and what she does next she told mtv will be unfor getting. >> every time i do something i want to remember this is what separates me from everybody else. i do get overwhelmed when i am going to perform because everything has to be perfect,
everything is so huge, everything has to be a moment. >> who thought the world needed 24/7 news? >> i did. >> he changed tv news forever. >> most of my colleagues thought ted was nuts. >> sailing, media, environment. united nations. >> good round number, you know. >> you know, the changed the world. >> yeah, i know. >> they called him captain outrageous and the mouth of the south. >> there is no cut off between the brain and mouth with ted. >> ted was a little unorthodox